g32 s2 misconfig?

saskwatch

Hi, I'm new to printing and these forums and wll hopefully creating contnt I can share with you all soon!
However I'm having issues printing. I just bought a Boots Industries V2.5 Delta 2nd hand and saw it working, got it home, calibrated it, got a couple of prints out of it, but then for some reason the command G32 S2 just stopped working suddenly after going through calibration a couple of times...
I have recorded a video of it here:


Basically when hitting G32 S2 the hotend doesn't move in any z direction and just moves around in x and y, storing the height of the bed as the end's current height. I've tried reinstalling etc. I'd been having some issues with it tearing the first couple of layers but now I can't do anything with it stuck and not able to calibrate!

Repetier

Any messages from calibration in host log?

My guess is that the z probe sensor is always returning "h" = high = triggered so it never goes down. Try M119 to see state of z probe.

saskwatch

saskwatch

Any messages from calibration in host log?

My guess is that the z probe sensor is always returning "h" = high = triggered so it never goes down. Try M119 to see state of z probe.

It's returning low. Strangely, when moving with the softare controls to
as high as it can go and doing M119, it returns H for x and y, but L for
z - however that's always been the case since I bought it so I don't
think that's related.
Apologies if this is more info than you need,
but I opened repetier (boots industries version), ran g32 s2, then m119,
then moved the probe down to about 1cm above the bed, ran m119 again,
then g32 s2 again.

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16:56:13.757 : start
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16:56:16.211 : Info:Autoleveling enabled
16:56:16.218 : Info: 1.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
16:56:16.221 : Free RAM:1322
16:56:16.224 : X:0.00 Y:0.00 Z:0.00 E:0.00
16:56:16.280 : Resend:1
16:56:16.328 : Error:Wrong checksum
16:56:16.328 : Resend:1
16:56:16.452 : FIRMWARE_NAME:Repetier_0.91 FIRMWARE_URL:https://github.com/repetier/Repetier-Firmware/ PROTOCOL_VERSION:1.0 MACHINE_TYPE:Delta EXTRUDER_COUNT:2 REPETIER_PROTOCOL:2
16:56:16.452 : Printed filament:60.50m Printing time:0 days 9 hours 43 min
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16:56:16.506 : Printer Setup Files/Calibration Info.url 178
16:56:16.510 : Printer Setup Files/Getting Started Guide.url 158
16:56:16.515 : Printer Setup Files/setupBootsIndustriesRepeti 23209592
16:56:16.519 : Printer Setup Files/Exported EEprom Settings/
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16:56:16.614 : Printed filament:60.50m Printing time:0 days 9 hours 43 min
16:56:16.625 : Error:Format error
16:56:16.626 : Resend:4
16:56:16.634 : Error:Wrong checksum
16:56:16.634 : Resend:4
16:56:16.638 : Error:Format error
16:56:16.638 : Resend:4
16:56:16.651 : Error:Format error
16:56:16.651 : Unknown command:
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16:56:39.801 : Info: 1.00000 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 1.00000 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 1.00000
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strips

M119 should always return L for all the switches when none are triggered/pressed. You can test them by running M119 when pressing one by one and see it's state is H. If this is not so they are wrongly configured of faulty.

saskwatch

Well they do all work fine - it's just that the z arm, after homing, moves down slightly which stops M119 reading as H - but as I said it's always done that so I don't think that's the issue with it not being able to calibrate with g32 s2.
It's got something to do with the probe suddenly starting to be triggered where it's already at as opposed to moving down and being triggered by the pressure.

Repetier

Your M119 does not return z probe state, only z endstop. So you are using a older firmware. Use G31 to test z probe signal then, which works on older firmware as well.

saskwatch

Oh I see, sorry, I got confused, I'm still getting used to differentiating the z-arm and the z-probe haha.
You're correct, G31 returns only the z-probe state and it's always returning H regardless of where the hotend is and whether the probe has been pulled out or not.
How do I fix this then?

My version is 'Boots Industries Repetier-Host BI V2.5 V1.0.6'. So I think it's an up-to-date version of Repetier? Past 0.96 atleast right? But then again, if M119 is supposed to return z-probe state on newer versions and it doesn't, I guess it's not up-to-date. When I click help>check for updates, it says it "can't find a connection to the server" though, even though I definitely am streaming youtube etc.

I also found this thread https://forum.repetier.com/discussion/1204/z-probing-trouble which I read but where do I find the '#define Z_PROBE_ON_HIGH' settings? I looked for a config file in program files, but could only find custom.ini

saskwatch

I'm using windows 8.1 btw if it makes a difference.

Repetier

Since it worked before I think it is a hardware defect. So maybe probe is just stuck on high or a short. But that is your problem. As soon as it switches between H and L it should work again.

saskwatch

Okay, but how do I find the '#define Z_PROBE_ON_HIGH' etc settings so I can atleast make sure it's not that before I start taking the thing apart and potentially making it worse?

Roko

@saskwatch : in referencce to  your question, "define Z_PROBE_ON_HIGH' should be in the configuration.h file in your firmware directory that you use the Arduino program to flash the EEPROM on your board with. You might not have those files. I did a Google search for that printer and went to the Wikipage for it which had calibration info, but like it's been said if the probe is not working, i.e.  "switching states"., you won't get anywhere. 

There are links to firmware  and HEX files on that page (dated 2014) along with directions to upload them, but the  probe needs to be working first ! 

saskwatch

Hey just an update for maybe others with the same problem - I fixed it! The culprit was a wire that had become disconnected to the probe so I soldered it back on.
Thanks for your help guys, you were right!

I now have an issue of not being able to get the print to stick on the first 1 or 2 or 3 layers (let me know if I should post this somewhere else). Heated bed + hairspray etc, I just have no idea what's wrong. When I look horizontally at the extruder when it's printing I can see that the gap between end and bed changes on 1 side of the bed so obviously there's a calibration issue at the very least.
1. When I try using the height map (following the video at https://www.repetier.com/documentation/repetier-firmware/z-probing/), I can make the map, but G33 does nothing, and G29 only measures 3 points on the bed and doesn't correct anything (log pasted at the bottom).


2. This is all after doing manual calibration by getting the extruder to pinch a piece of paper - just how tightly do I want it to pinch the paper btw? Just so I can feel it pulling slightly? Or so that it's gripping the paper and I can't move it without tugging?

23:53:01.536 : Info:Autoleveling disabled
23:53:04.695 : Z-probe:10.14 X:0.00 Y:120.00
23:53:07.899 : Z-probe:11.10 X:116.00 Y:-64.99
23:53:11.270 : Z-probe:10.68 X:-116.00 Y:-64.99
23:53:12.145 : Z-probe average height:10.64
23:53:12.147 : Info:Autoleveling enabled
23:53:12.150 : X:-116.02 Y:-64.96 Z:7.08 E:25.37

Side note:
When doing the height map, I don't get any mention of 'zCorr' like the guy in the video does, I instead get 'E' - what does 'E' represent?
Random section from z-probe pasted here as example:
23:36:35.642 : Info:Autoleveling disabled
23:36:36.593 : Z-probe:10.48 X:17.16 Y:85.68
23:36:36.955 : Info:Autoleveling enabled
23:36:36.957 : X:17.14 Y:85.71 Z:7.46 E:25.37

Repetier

Forget about G29. It is 3 point leveling and might even disable rotation correction etc. What was G29 with distortion correction is now G33!

E is extruder position. It just comes from reporting current position, you can ignore that line.

G33 only corrects until a defined hight (see your configuration) and reduces correction to 0 then. So if you test that feature make sure you are in 100% correction range.

zCorr only appears if you have distortion correction enabled and compiled. Since you said G33 does nothing you do not seem to have compiled firmware with distortion correction.

saskwatch

I've tried looking for a setting in eeprom config and printer config for G33 correcting until a defined height but couldn't see any - I'm probably missing it - where exactly is the setting?

And do you know if it would matter much if I downloaded and used the most up-to-date repetier software even though my printer has a dedicated (though seemingly outdated at this point...) version with custom settings?
Or would I be able to export all relevant settings to the new repetier version? I know I can export eeprom and and slic3r settings, are they only settings that would matter or is there something that I might not be able to copy over?

Repetier

Go to

https://www.repetier.com/firmware/dev/index.php

and in general tab at bottom you can define distortion map.

eeprom only covers a big part of settings but many values have to be defined in Configuration.h as well. Replacing a vendor solution is normally no problem if you know the right settings. You should check your vendor homepage for the configuration.h he used. That makes it easy to make a new version.

saskwatch

I couldn't find one on their page and they haven't responded to emails, so I think I'm stuck for that.

I'm not sure how to use that tool you linked me - I don't know what most of the settings should be on my printer, and it says that uploaded current settings need to have been made by that tool so I'm assuming that means I can't upload my current configuration.h?

Also I've run into another problem whilst trying to get the height map sorted (which I've been able to approximate by changing the z-probe coordinates to a smaller area which I'm actually using for a typical print), which is that 1 of the arms is missing steps (or seems like it), here is a video:
What are your thoughts?

Thank you for the help by the way - I would've probably quit and sold the printer without it haha

Repetier

The setup for config tool is a Configuration.h file with a special comment with json string containing the settings, so maybe your config matches. If not the config tool always shows the name of te setting as it is named in configuration.h so you could look there.

In video I see a vibrating belt. That is very bad for quality. Don't see missing steps looks more like tension is not high enough and the bottom pulley maybe has the teeth going over the end of the gear causing it to swing.

saskwatch

Hmm, how do I fix the tension then? I can't find anything about it on the manufacturer's website.

Repetier

Move motor up or bottom pulley down and fix screws. Or check where belt is fixed if that has a tension mechanism.

Also maybe you need to rotate lower pulley a bit up so the belt does not spring over the end - at least it looked a bit like that to me. You might move very slow to see if it is really pushing belt outside until it springs back. But that was my impression for the reason of it.

saskwatch

I fixed it by adding some 3d-printed washers to the screws on the top of the belt - essentially pulling up and tightening, so it was the belt tightness, thanks!

I've now run into another weird problem...
Basically I'm getting  the extruded lines be wonky - except it only happens when the extruder is traveling a certain direction.
I made a video - you can skip through most of it until the end where I show it compared, but it's harder to tell with the yellow.
I took a photo of the same thing but on a red print so it might be easier to see

Any idea what's causing this? I just can't think that it can be the filament or something (been having issues with the feeder skipping) because it only happens at a certain direction. Though occasionally it changes - sometimes it's only wobbly left-to-right and then halfway through the print it changes to forwards-to-backwards.
Video:

Pic:
https://s14.postimg.org/uj41afd7l/20161123_004219.jpg

saskwatch

It's just strange because the 'wobbly bits' are raised up and sometimes side to side but the vast majority of the time they're raised up only

Repetier

The only reason I know is if the gap between nozzle and ground is too high. Then you start getting waves. So maybe you are printing not enough filament for your choosen height or extruder is underextruding from your settings. Just try increasing flow while printing and see if it then gets better.

saskwatch

I don't think it can be the gap because it's only on patches (such as next to the left corner in the photo) and isn't over the whole surface, so the extruder underextruding seems more likely - but why would it only be underextruding on a certain patch, or only sometimes at all for that matter?

Repetier

Maybe you are already near the volume wher eit works and sometime it's ok and sometimes not. 

saskwatch

Hm. I printed at a smaller height and it seemed to go away for the most part so I suppose it doesn't matter at small heights

I'm also now having an issue with my heated bed - its just stopped working for no reason (it was working a few hours ago and hasn't been moved or even touched other than to take a print off the bed), which isn't a huge deal in itself, but now I can't start prints because the print is waiting for the bed to heat up, which never happens. I've tried changing the bed temperate for 'first layer' and 'other layers' in filament settings configuration in slic3r to disable bed, but when I reset everything and try again with the new settings, the heat bed is still activated and the same issue persists with never starting the print

Is there another setting that I'm missing for disabling (or even fixing) the bed?
Btw do you guys accept bitcoin as donations?

Repetier

First thing is to check log files. It will switch to dry run if heating fails. It will also write out many other information depending on error. So if you see it want to heat and temp. graph shows full heating power and it does not get warm it might have no power - so bed could be defect, fuse burned, mosfet defect  - all assuming it worked before making a hardware failure the typical reason.

saskwatch

The temperature graph shows full power to the bed and it doesn't heat, but the log (toggle log button at the top?) doesn't add anything when I start the print - the latest thing in it is info from slic3r.
I'm assuming the bed has become defected, but is there a way to disable the bed as a work-around for the print never starting?
I've tried changing the bed temperate for 'first layer' and 'other layers' in filament settings in configuration in slic3r, and set 'default heated bed temperature' in repetier>printer settings> printer - but when I reset everything and try to print, it still tries to heat the bed.
How can I disable the bed other than what I've already done? Btw repetier version is 0.91.

saskwatch

I had the log set to not show some things, so I was wrong about it not saying anything when the print starts, log is:



13:36:18.449 : N24 M105 *49
13:36:18.450 : ok 24
13:36:18.673 : N25 M117 ETE 00s *20
13:36:18.688 : ok 25
13:36:18.745 : N26 G21 *14
13:36:18.746 : N27 M107 *48
13:36:18.749 : N28 M190 S50 *71
13:36:18.752 : N29 M104 T1 S190 *51
13:36:18.752 : N30 G28 *0
13:36:18.752 : N31 G1 Z5 F5000 *22
13:36:18.753 : N32 M109 T1 S190 *52
13:36:18.753 : N33 G90 *0
13:36:18.753 : N34 M83 *15
13:36:18.753 : N35 T1 *45
13:36:18.753 : N36 G1 E-8 F3600 *46
13:36:18.753 : N37 G1 Z5.015 F4800 *3
13:36:18.781 : ok 26
13:36:18.781 : ok 27
13:36:18.782 : N38 G1 X-26.984 Y64.635 F4800 *118
13:36:18.782 : ok 28
13:36:18.886 : TargetBed:50
13:36:21.513 : N39 M105 *61

I just don't know how to stop it trying to heat the bed other than what I've done already?

saskwatch

TL;DR
Update: I found the faulty wire with the heated bed so I've fixed the issue and there's no need to waste more of your time on this, but now I'm just curious how you're supposed to disable the bed after the settings I tried didn't work haha
You also didn't tell me if you accept bitcoins as donation?

Repetier

No we have no bitcoin wallet, only paypal:-(

YOu can recompile firmware with HAVE_HEATED_BED 0 so it does not try to use bed. Or in slicer just say to not use bed if the temp.sensor is still working.